Weight Watchers New for 2017?

Weight Watchers 2017

December 10, 2016   123 Comments

Every couple of years, Weight Watchers revamps its program to include the latest in nutrition research.

Some think that they change it in order to make you buy all new materials, but I think that they really do want the program to work. Last year (2016), they changed A LOT and moved from PointsPlus to SmartPoints.

The migration to SmartPoints was not smooth. Weight Watchers didn’t manage to get their apps running well and plenty had problems accessing and understanding the new program.

What became very clear was that sugar and carbohydrates were going to cost much more on the SmartPoints system and protein was going to cost less. It felt to many as if Weight Watchers had adopted a “South Beach” approach.

In the past, Weight Watchers had said that you can eat what you love and still lose weight (moderation is key) – now the messages is “Make Better Choices”. I think it would be hard for many of us to argue that making better choices is a bad idea. You still have control over what you eat, but that piece of chocolate cake is going to be half your SmartPoints allowance for the day!

They continued to have their online service, and their meetings but they added personal coaching for about $11 per week. This new program gives a member one on one advice from a person well versed in Weight Watchers and personal help when a member needs it.

I think personal coaching can be powerful because you can trouble shoot your specific problems very quickly and feel accountable to someone who is on your side.

This year (2017), they are leaving the SmartPoints program alone and trying to build on its success. Plenty of people have found the reduction in sugar and carbohydrates to be a key in their weight loss success. But many are frustrated because they are finding this diet to be too restrictive.

They gripe that it feels more like a diet and less like a sustainable lifestyle change –which may be true since the new program has been only around for a year.

One criticism of SmartPoints that I find VERY compelling is that Weight Watchers is not only penalizing you for eating sugar and carbohydrates but also dinging you for eating fat. The latest thinking is that fat is not the enemy – read Always Hungry? if you get a chance.

I think we can all agree that the low fat movement hasn’t led to a reduction in overweight Americans – it has been the exact opposite trend.

Please share your thoughts about Weight Watchers for 2017 and any plans you are making for the New Year. We would all love to hear them!

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123 Comments:

I agree that Smart Pounts is harder and more restrictive. I am a'Lifetime' member if WW and lost my weight on WWPP. I used to enjoy an ice cream bar every night as I lost weight. Now they reduced the size of the bars and doubled the points. Even Skinny Cow doesn't use WWPounts on their boxes anymore because they are so high. I feel that you need some treat during the day to be able to 'cope' with being in a 'diet' & the new system allows you none. Why change what already works? I follow the WWPP from memory and do not attends meetings anymore. I agree with "....they change it in order to........).

on December 10, 2016

I really dislike the SP system. PP also encouraged better choices but left room for real life! It's a shame too because I don't know what to do for a formal program without WW and PP. I will probably just use MyFitnessPal but I always preferred PP.

on December 10, 2016

Christine there is an app that is not affiliated with weight watchers that allows you to track on your phone with the points plus system. Ibites might be another one that allows you to choose which version of weight watchers you would like to use. Best of luck!!

on December 10, 2016

Smart Points only ding you for Saturated Fat not regular fat which makes food satisfying and tasty. Saturated fat and sugar combined are at the root of the obesity in this country. As always it is about balance and portion control and yes sometimes moving a little more also! Smart Points does really work you just have to do more planning and get creative for those days you want those sweet treats💜

on December 10, 2016

After a few months on SP I said the heck with it. I was doing well On PP but to learn a new program again no thanks. I quit WW and am watching portions on my own. I have lost better this way because I am not constantly thinking about food. What to eat, how many points etc. No more programs for me. I spend my money on healthy foods now.

on December 10, 2016

I abandoned WW because of their approach to (healthy) fats. There is no scientific evidence that points to the consumption of good fats = weight gain. Future generations will look back on the past 50 years and shake their heads that we as a society prescribed so vigorously to this baseless philosophy that low fat was the way to go. The Obesity Code is another great read that maintains obesity is a hormonal challenge. My family doc recommended it and it's an eye opener.

on December 10, 2016

I totally agree with the previous two comments. I think WW tried to change too much when they moved to SP. I no longer can afford to have the nightly Healthy Choice chocolate bar that hubby and I enjoyed for several years because it nearly doubled in points. The other favorite desserts I sometimes made for guests were suddenly too costly as well. Previously purchased WW cookbook recipes did not contain the sugar content and the only way to come up with that information required a painful search of each ingredient to calculate its sugar content. The SP program has had little support in the way of cookbooks. I feel the program was changed too much and I have lost interest in following such a restrictive program - and I am a lifetime member who lost 60 pounds and kept it off nearly four years now.

on December 10, 2016

Dislike SP. Going to discontinue WW and try a different app for FREE.

on December 10, 2016

I think it speaks volumes how WW leaders and prior members say they have had more success losing weight following Smart Points than before. I'm a fan of the healthier approach.

on December 10, 2016

WW is the literally the ONLY diet that ever worked for me...and my parents. However, the change from PP to SP made it impossible for me to follow. What was so great about WW is you could still eat virtually anything, just in moderation. And it worked! My family was proof. Now, SP makes it like any other severely restrictive diet you won't stick with. Makes me sad because the one "doable" diet I searched my whole life to find is now gone. 😟

on December 10, 2016

I'm very disappointed in WW and I shared it with corporate. They answered with just a formality letter they send to everyone. I've been a Lifetimer for over 20 years and attend meetings weekly. In the past 6 mos. I cannot lose the 4 lbs I've gained and I'm frustrated. But most of all I'm disappointed in the lines for weigh in at my facility. No privacy! Everyone knows who lost ,and worse who gained. Many WW friends are turned off and leaving WW. The line is out the door and often people leave who are on time restrictions. I'm hanging on,but not much longer. Please go back to weighing in a private area!

on December 10, 2016

I lost over 100 lbs in old system. You learned choices, and balance. Quit when new plan came in after trying new plan. Frustrating system, not realistic to live in everyday world and with family. Won't go back until plan changes, I'm not wasting another penny on this current program'

on December 10, 2016

I have done WW a few times, this is the BEST plan... I lost 8lbs my first week, and continue to lose every week... I also switch from Smartpoints to simply filling a few times a week! I am never hungry.....Thank goodness there not changing it!

on December 10, 2016

Sue! They really took away the private weigh in? There was an episode on Mad Men where Betty went to a meeting and to me that just showed how humiliating that was!!
That said, I posted here a couple of weeks ago. Abbreviated version, I'm Lifetime and do not like SP, and I'm a vegetarian.
So for about 8 weeks now I've been basically working with the PointsPlus system. Only difference is I now eat 2% fat products vs fat free. Best news yesterday, my cholesterol went down 35 points!!
oh, and I've lost 11 pounds too.

on December 10, 2016

DIETS DONT'T WORK!!! WW is a business and it wants your money. Eat food real food, just enough!! Eat when truly hungry. Stop when full. Eat lots of plants! And healthy fats! Stop dieting, America!!! It's not working!

on December 10, 2016

I left when i knew SP would not be for me and is a diet. Sorry to read ww hasnt realuzed sp isnt for everyone. I need to lose some pounds but will follow pp or the cooking light program.

on December 10, 2016

I was having problems taking the weight off with the pp when we started the smart points I liked it better I started to take the weight off that I have been struggling to get off and my doctor is very happy. I like it that it calculates the sugar too for one thing my doctor wants me to go sugar free and that is kind of hard so with the sp If the points are to hi then I kind of now that it has a lot of sugar in it too. I have lost 17 1/2 pounds now and have a few more to go. I have also found out that I get kind of sick to my stomach when I do eat a lot of sugary stuff .I love the SP

on December 10, 2016

Burn more calories than you consume. Everything in moderation. I use Fitbit and Loseit (which is free). I think you need to keep track of calories, yes I tried Weight Watchers, Loseit is better and easier.

on December 10, 2016

I LOVE the SP program. I was back at goal in no time and have maintained this loss for 9 months. I do not deprive myself but I dont over-indulge either. I healthy snack often and I treat myself occasionanally. There is a huge difference and this new program helped curtail my suggar addiction! I make sure that I stay in motion as well. No sitting around!

on December 10, 2016

I am in agreement with most here. I lost a lot of weight and began eating much healthier on the PP system. I tried SP for a few months and then discontinued my membership. I found the same as others; it was too restrictive. I couldn't even afford to eat the Craisins on my salad. Yes, I know they have added sugar, but they added flavor and texture to my salads! Since I stopped, I have maintained my goal weight and even gone under at times by eating mostly pescatarian (a little fish and even less meat). I eat lots of vegetables and fruits, whole grains, nuts and some diary. YES! I do eat occasional goodies. I am going to Bertucci's today for lunch and have a Christmas party to attend tonight. I will try to make the healthier choices, but I am not going to chide myself for eating a few Christmas cookies either. It has been working for me - along with yoga and some fairly regular exercise. Stopping my WW membership was probably one of the "smartest" things I ever did. I suggest taking your money and putting it toward a gym membership or taking a fitness/yoga class instead. Sorry WW. I thought I couldn't live without you, but I CAN!

on December 10, 2016

I lost 95 pounds on PP and loved it, after gaining a 15 pounds back I joined and found I hated the SP, I struggled to lose any weight, paying for a program that did not work for me made no sense. I went back to PP on my own and lost the pounds that I wanted to, and continue to keep it off. I really don't like the word diet, I like lifestyle change.

on December 10, 2016

Been a member since 1980 became a lifetime member back then. Hubby followed years later. PP works the best for us. We like the fact a lot of packaged foods have those points listed and you can figure points for your own recipes you make plus what people put on line. I call it livable . Stopped going when I had to purchase my own materials and if your not on target have to pay a higher fee. Since retired on a budget and sorry to say but when Oprah bought it to me she is not a role model that motivates me.

on December 10, 2016

ok if ww wants you to control intake of sugar that is fine BUT then why do they put so much in there shakes and treats...

on December 10, 2016

Hi

I'm. Lifer too at first I was very negative towards it. But learn to work the program! A lot of power foods, exercise and weeklies and make it a lifestyle :)

on December 10, 2016

I'm with Sherox, because that's my story. I lost 83 lbs on PP in 2009/2010. Then I stood still, what I call "practicing maintenace", staying at +/-20 lbs until SP, partially because I learned to "play the PP system", get my healthy guidelines in and still have too much sugar! SP helped me curtail that (that was a BIG step) and I appreciate the push to eat healthier than ever and move more. Despite a few life-gets-in-the-way setbacks, I am down that additional 20+ and confidently on my way. PEOPLE, losing weight and learning to eat healthier is hard work! AND it's a lifelong commitment involving learning, growing and changing and that is hard work. Changing it up and improving yourself is challenging but so worth it!

on December 10, 2016

I lost weight on PP 5 years ago and did it by watching sugar and fat on my own, but I loved that the PP system gave me the option of having a good sweet treat when I wanted one. I continued with WW for 4 years, but when they changed to SP, I tried SP for a while on my own and did not like it. They even upped the points for milk! Bad idea! When I'm counting points, I do it by memory with PP.

on December 10, 2016

I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with SP. What's unhealthy about lean protein, vegetables, and fruit? I've tried many WW programs all the way back to sweet potatoes and avocados being forbidden. I am 64, disabled with little mobility (no exercise), and I'm down over 72 lbs. since Feb. 2016. Also, I've done it all with WW Online! At least once a week I eat what I want. I wonder if these people who think "moderation" means sugar and fat daily. This is the easiest plan in my opinion, and it allows me the freedom to choose. Connect offers great support. Only time I want to keep munching is when I've eaten too much sugar. The journey is at least 50% mental and emotional. As I change my way of thinking, the weight takes care of itself.

on December 10, 2016

I've have given this new SP system a chance. I lost 128 lbs on Core and PP and reached Lifetime several years ago. I maintained for 2 years. At the time SP came out I had gained a little but was basically maintaining in the healthy range. Now this 4th year I am up 10 pounds more! I just don't think SP is terribly realistic, nor do I not like being able to adjust my target points (which it use to allow me to do). I am thinking about using a different program to track and still pay for the support I need in the meetings. Will you ladies give me the names of the BEST APPS you've found to use on the PP system. I know there are some good ones out there that even scan points like the WW does on our phones. Just need some help finding them!

on December 10, 2016

I am having great success with pp and am loving the app now. Synching with my Garmin tracker is a must. My focus each week is on the activity goal and feel this plan encourages movement of all kind not just going to the gym...Ick. I feel better and have more enetegy when i get my activity in..work,walking, yoga, and swim, are my things with having bad knees. I always eat my weeklies on a good binge or extra pts each day-depending on the week. I usually go into my fitness points a bit, too. Dark chocolate is the way to go for treats. I am online only and also addicted to Connect. I like that WW is keeping up with current health research.

on December 10, 2016

If the old WW system worked for anyone just keep doing it. I know many people who went to WW one day to sign up and got all the materials and do it on their own. When the plans changed still kept on old one. Do what works for you!

on December 10, 2016

I had reached my goal in September of 2015. Was very disappointed when I had to learn a new program all over again in December especially when I had lost weight on the old one. But in the long run I was very glad I adapted to the new one and was even able to loose a few more pounds. Being 5 pounds under your goal weight is a win win in my book.

on December 10, 2016

I joined WW on January 7, 2016. As of this morning, I am down 58#. I have not felt deprived one single bit as I have rewarded myself and stayed within my points. I have become very disciplined. I am 70 years old and I figured this was my last shot. I feel good, I look great. My BP is normal (have cut my meds in half), am no longer border diabetic. I don't ache, I can bend with ease and my breathing is normal, no more huffing and puffing. I will get my lifetime charm this Thursday, last time was about 30 years ago when the program was horrible. We even had to make our own catsup. WW has invested a great deal of money into their program to help us all. It is such a healthy, EASY way to eat, lose and maintain. Not saying I won't lose it tomorrow, but I certainly will try my best to maintain this healthy lifestyle. Good luck to everyone and thank you WEIGHT WATCHERS!!!

on December 10, 2016

Lost over 80 lbs on PP. With SP the past year, 30 lbs have crept back. It's frustrating to put in 4 years of $$ and hard work to get unsustainable results.

on December 10, 2016

I have been a lifetime member since 1994. When I chose my goal weight, it was the high end of the range, and I decided I wanted to give myself more of a cushion. This was when PP were introduced. I followed it faithfully but did not lose an ounce. I recently went back to WW with the new SP program and lost 10 pounds. Sugar and carbs really are not good for us, so I am glad it is restricted. Saturated fat may not make anyone gain weight, but it can clog your arteries. I have been very happy with the new program. For me, it really comes down to planning and the strategic use of weekly points and exercise.

on December 10, 2016

I think members should be allowed to use the plan that works best for them. They should receive the materials they need on and off line. I find the SP website hard to navigate, took me several minutes to find where to track my weight. SP is too restrictive .. I'm doing PP

on December 10, 2016

I love the Smart Point program. I find it so easy to work with. And I eat whatever I want and just track it. I joined January 2016 and have lost 55 pounds. I have 40 more pounds to go. I have had both of my sisters join and we are all loving this new program. I'm also so happy with all the web sites that have great recipes for us. Thank you snack girl. You are one.

on December 10, 2016

am ending my membership. Was a lifetime member (twice) but the new program does not work for me. I need to have a structure to follow. Think I will use the money for a gym membership. Maybe I will wait for another change to the program.

on December 10, 2016

I recently returned to WW and not sure why. It's all about selling products. A few years ago I returned, yet again, to a leader that had been doing WW for years. When I first went to WW meetings members would bring in products that they found helpful and delicious and we talked about it and how many points they contained. The next time I returned to the same leader I asked about that and she told me that they were not allowed to talk about products unless they were WW products which are overpriced items available on regular shelves. It's a corporation to make money.

on December 10, 2016

I have been a Lifetime Membet of WW up until about 6 years ago and then maintained without meetings. I got tired of points period and have been eating Paleo since August and I love it. I think my body needed more meat and healthy fats. I don't even care about the sugar and carbs anymore. I feel this is a lifetime change for me. And I have lost 13 lbs.

on December 10, 2016

Donna, we talk about products frequently, not WW products but others available in the stores. Sounds like the leader is a bit "off" on that one.

on December 10, 2016

I am lifetime member with WW and I dislike the new Smart Points program. I gained all the weight that I had lost on Points Plus. Still going but do not like the new points program

on December 11, 2016

Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about it?

on December 11, 2016

Will WW go back to weighing us in a separate room? If not many of my WW friends will leave program. We hear everybody's loss or gain. We wait so long to weigh in that we miss meeting. Embarrassing! Our leader does not talk about food other than WW products. Our previous leader always allowed us to talk about food that help us stay on program. But then told us it was not allowed unless it was WW products.

on December 11, 2016

I too have left WW when they switched to SP, everything was going so well on PP for me and finally felt I was jiving with the program. What would be wonderful is if they would have kept the PP program and just included the SP program. I feel it's a money marketing ploy to switch programs and have to start over. I left WW...

on December 11, 2016

Does anyone know if they plan on bringing back the healthy guideline checkboxes? I really miss them!

on December 11, 2016

My husbanf and I are lifetime members of WW. We lost all are weight on the Points Plus. Smart Points really threw us. We have learned so much by attending sessions and following Points Plus but are disenchanted with Smart Points approach. I wish they had kept both programs and let you choose. Our leader still encouraged better choices, less sugar, exercise, movement etc. Mindful eating worked. Now everything ypu scan seems a no no and really seems limiting in some areas and so much more like a diet

on December 11, 2016

I'm extremely disappointed in smartpoints also. I don't mind less carbs but I do mind making barbecue sauces, ketchup and steak sauces points. Some times that's what helped me eat that chicken breast or that steamed shrimp. When I have to choose sauce over food it makes me not want to continue the diet. Wish they would change things back.

on December 11, 2016

I agree with the many who find SP too restrictive. I feel they fixed something that wasn't broken, and with the big changes it felt like they "sprung it on us"...and feels like WW is telling me how I will eat now. I made lifetime and maintained for more than a year on PP. Now I am back up 17 lbs above goal weight. While I enjoy going to meetings and love my leader and friends I have made in WW I have decided to quit and basically go back to PP on my own. Very sad about that but I need something that is truly liveable or I will soon be back where I started.

on December 11, 2016

Weight Watchers SmartPoints plan is science based..wish I could argue that increased sugar and saturated are good for us..hmmm..not so much!

on December 11, 2016

I lost 50 lbs on pp wt watchers.. the new sp increased points for all there frozen treats, and they count the sugars, but they load up there expensive cakes and ice treats with sugar.. started gaining back with sp and I was paying allot for the meetings to gain.. now I do an online sight and I am losing again just counting calories and it is so much easier.. do you really have to pay 60-70 dpllars a month and then for there product with allot of sugar at 7-8 dollars.. not me I have better things, like some expensive treats like filet migon steak

on December 11, 2016

I've been lifetime since '86, and never struggled as much as I did on SP. I REALLY gave it a try...more than once. No more! I'm now in a group on FB that uses PP and apps that are free or a one time $5 fee. We support each other and even have a weekly chat session. It's great. Now I can spend the money I save on WW on healthy foods. WW lost me when they more than doubled some of my survival sweet treats.

on December 11, 2016

Wendy, may I ask the name of the group on FB?

on December 11, 2016

Has anyone had a problem with group weigh in and no privacy?

on December 11, 2016

I was doing SP and kept gaining after I had lost 20 on PP so my leader suggested that I switched to simply filling , I don't feel restricted any longer to me I can have comfort food simply Filling is much better for me. and I have lost 9 more pounds. I love the women in our group

on December 11, 2016

I was doing very well until they changed the program. I would be in the store and the app. Never worked, even when I would reload it. So frustrated that I couldn't scan products yet was being charged monthly while they were really not ready to release the appt.

on December 11, 2016

Wendy, I, also, would like the name of the FB group you refer to in your comment. Share, please?!

on December 11, 2016

I am a Lifetimer -- been on every program since the '70s. I LOVE the Smart Points program. It is the BEST program of all. It is the way we all should be eating to be healthy. Eat the Power Foods most of the time and you can treat yourself now and then on something special. I've done Simply Filling for my maintaining, and that is basically what the Smart Points program is. If you want to lose weight and then keep it off forever, this is the way you need to eat.

on December 11, 2016

wendy... I would also like to know group on facebook..I am very interested

on December 12, 2016

I agree with most who have posted. I am a lifetime member of WW. am way above goal can't stand smart points can't stick with it will just do pointts plus on my own WW website not accessible for blind people like me

on December 12, 2016

I was a WW receptionist and leader for over 6 years. SmartPoints did no favors for me. I have gained many more pounds since the start of SP. I think some of us need the discipline of counting our fruits as points(they have lots of sugar).

on December 13, 2016

I lost 60 pounds on PointsPlus and was on maintenance as a WW lifetime member when they rolled out SmartPoints. I couldn't stand it for these reasons:
* SmartPoints severely penalizes sugar in any form - even the value of dairy went through the roof because of lactose, ignoring the protein and calcium benefits. Sure, sugar is no good for you but this was way overboard.
* Same with any fat - big penalties even for olive oil despite the known benefits.
* Other values were very out of whack. I once made a cod filet with a bread crumb topping, and 8 ounces of the fish was worth less points than 2 tablespoons of plain bread crumbs!
* SmartPoints also restricted weekly allowances to the point where the program was unlivable for me. One ordinary restaurant meal or one treat a week and I'd be in the red with no way to get into the black.
* The technology was terrible. The app didn't work and the Website's interface was laughably bad. Free apps are so much better.
* The new "community" function was useless to me. Instead of having friends, blogs, support groups etc. where we made real connections with others, we had Twitter-like feeds of nonsense all day.
* The price went up.
* The WW brand foods are STILL full of garbage. I never bought them because of all the junk in them. WW had an opportunity to change its branded foods and didn't take it but kept selling the same junk.
* We were promised a free trial of personal coaches, but the interface never worked.
* Finally, as a loyal WW customer and very grateful for PointsPlus for changing my life, I felt that WW treated me like garbage. The new experience offered nothing for Lifetime and Maintenance members and really treated us as though we did not exist. This reinforced my belief that WW was just interested in making money off of us. I began to view WW as a crutch I didn't need anymore, so I cast it off.

on December 14, 2016

I am very disappointed in WW. I too was a lifelong member and quit in 2016 because it is too complicated and too time-consuming to figure out all the points. I was a weight watcher member many many years ago when they had the board on the fridge and you simply checked off what you ate. I lost a lot of weight then!! Just because you change something, doesn't mean it's better. My girlfriend and I both quit weight watchers this year and I will not go back until they get rid of all the complicated points. Such a shame!!!

on December 15, 2016

The FB group that I'm in is
WW Points Plus(ProPoints)-No Smart Points
There are over 1,700 people from ALL over!
So sorry it took me so long to get back.

on December 15, 2016

Overall, in my opinion, a strict diet is hard to keep for a lifetime. With SP things go along ok for a while until one gets tired of it...then there is a big weight gain. PP is so much more flexible and the weight stays off after(4 yrs for me). I finally quit WW and I miss the ladies there but it's become a bit much with their aggressive sales of WW treats and expensive books etc. Too bad, it used to be great.

on December 15, 2016

Been with WW since the 1970's thru all sorts of changes.I am a lifetime member who has to go back to meetings every so often to keep on track. SP is the worst change ever. I will continue to go to meetings for the encouragement but I am sticking with PP.

on December 16, 2016

I am surprised at some of the comments. I really like the SP. I have had no problem adjusting to the new system. Something is working. The weight loss numbers in my meeting room are good. To me it is just a budget, when the prices go up we make adjustments with our money, same thing with SP. I like it, I am a Lifetime member.

on December 17, 2016

With computer technology, I don't understand why a person can't have access to the past program which worked for them. I lost 60# on Flex/Core in 2008-2009 but when they changed the program, all of my online data was lost. Every saved recipe had to be revamped. I personally know of NO ONE who is happy with last year's changes.

on December 17, 2016

It's so expensive and buying their products is expensive. It's hard for a retired person to even think about going. I had all the points plus stuff, scale, cookbooks, and then they changed. I didn't want to rebuy all those products.

on December 17, 2016

PP was an awesome program SP is not for everyone. Let's have choice. Make both plans available to allow us a choice of which makes you successful. Disappointed as the new plan is not a lifestyle

on December 17, 2016

Not a fan of Smart Points. I've been lifetime for twelve years. Haven't darkened their doorstep since they rolled out the new program. I knew it wasn't for me. I've maintained by following PP on my own.

on December 18, 2016

Yesterday I discovered an app called "itrackbites" which allows you to choose from 3 different Points calculations or counting calories. It was $2.99 for the app. There are add-ons for $1.99 each for restaurant search and recipe builder. Since the plan I used was Flex/Core I chose the Classic plan. NAYY

on December 18, 2016

I joined for the first time last March. Needed to lose 20 lbs. I made goal and I like how they make me watch my sugar intake as I have a sweet tooth. I do not like that the leader always talks about fat being bad. It is not! Also she is big on sugar substitute, which I am not. But I take what I can from the meetings and it has kept me on track to stay within my weight range.

on December 19, 2016

Sue - I completely agree. I also like that I need to pay more attention to the sugar I eat and I don't like sugar substitutes. I find on the new plan my cravings for sweets has lessened. I also have increased eating healthy fats like avocado and nuts, which also mitigates cravings.

on December 20, 2016

I'm the opposite of many of the commenters here. I tried the Points Plus program more than once, and abandoned it quickly every time. It simply didn't work for me. The way it leaned towards carbs left me hungry and craving more. The SP program is working for me, and feels so much more maintainable. I guess we all have different needs.

on December 23, 2016

For those who feel that WW got too restrictive when they upped the points on sugar, did you notice how easy it is to earn fitpoints now? You can still have your sweets - you just have to move a bit more to earn them. I think when you consider the increase in dailies and fitpoints things still even out in the end.

on December 23, 2016

I just read Planet Fitness has joined with Ww. Too far for me and I belong to a gym by me. I am a lifetime member and I combine all the programs. I truly tried to stay away from sugar but at night when I feel like it! I will have a sugar free pop. They say too many fruits are not zero points. I can't do a ww app - so here I am . Yes I wrote to cooperate and was told the new program works! The vegg soup is the best for me that I make and many great sites-

on December 25, 2016

I think SP was the best thing that ever happened to WW. I've been a member for many years...but would quit when the going got hard. But when they introduced the Smart Points last year....I thought I would quit again because so many of my favourite treats were so high! But guess what?...it was those "treats" that were doing all of the damage. I finally got back to lifetime and have been below my goal weight for almost 7 months....last time I reached lifetime I was only successful for a few weeks before my weight climbed back up. Is it hard?...yes....but it's worth it. Sugar and Saturated fats were the culprits for me....if it doesn't work for you...don't blame Weight Watchers. Sometimes you have to be willing to make a few sacrifices to succeed. I have found other choices to replace my "bad" snacks and now I am much healthier and happier. Thank you Weight Watchers......

on December 26, 2016

Good Morning Judy,

I am with you! SP are the best!! I have been with WW since 2009. I am a Lifetime Member. SP keep me in check. Yes some of my favorite treats went up, but those treats were the problem. It is a journey, and I am enjoying it. Keep up the good work. If you work the plan, the plan works!!
Steph C

on December 26, 2016

In 2016, I've spent a lot of $ at Weight Watchers, and I've gained a lot of weight.

Who's fault is it? Of course, it's mine. However, I find the Smart Points program too difficult to do as a lifestyle.

I discoverd all of my old Points Plus material last night, including the calculator.

I'm going back to the program that worked for me.

There are apps that track and use Points Plus? If so, what have you used and liked?

Thanks!

on December 26, 2016

I like the app
UFVD
the ultimate food value diary
It tracks either PP or SP
It's only a onetime fee of $4 or $5 dollars. You can upgrade if you want to sync an activity tracker or just put it in yourself. I saved so much money!
Another app that people use is itrackbites

on December 27, 2016

I miss PP. lost 30 lbs and felt WW had a great program. SP is way to restrictive and I stopped going to meetings.
Why can't WW offer both programs and support both ?

on December 30, 2016

I was a proud Lifetime member of WW because it promoted a lifestyle rather than a diet with Points Plus. I left when Smart Points came in because I view it as an unsustainable diet; just the sort of short term eating plan that other companies promote that have failure built in. I still do Points Plus, and I miss the WW meetings, but my disappointment with them is off the charts. People need to learn how to eat what they love in sensible portions so they can develop habits that will allow them to eat what they love without guilt; WW has lost its vision, turned on its core members, and abandoned a program that served them well. They could have offered both plans. I wish the company well, but clearly that good will was not reciprocated to their long time members.

on December 30, 2016

I was a proud Lifetime member of WW because it promoted a lifestyle rather than a diet with Points Plus. I left when Smart Points came in because I view it as an unsustainable diet; just the sort of short term eating plan that other companies promote that have failure built in. I still do Points Plus, and I miss the WW meetings, but my disappointment with them is off the charts. People need to learn how to eat what they love in sensible portions so they can develop habits that will allow them to eat what they love without guilt; WW has lost its vision, turned on its core members, and abandoned a program that served them well. They could have offered both plans. I wish the company well, but clearly that good will was not reciprocated to their long time members.

on December 30, 2016

I left WW because the SP was not livable. I lost weight and enjoyed the variety I got with Points Plus. Smart Points concept is logical however it's not sustainable.

I'm guessing Oprah lost the 60 lbs LAST year and gain and lost 40 THIS year (again) because it doesn't look like she lost 100 lbs IN TOTAL.

Really saddened me that WW didn't listen for the full year that members struggled and left. Instead, WW remained adamant to keep the SP and not be flexible like they once were.

Using an app for free and doing well.

on December 30, 2016

I am a lifetime member and I have seen all the programs but the one they went to last year made me walk away from WW. We all know that being restricted has never been a success. What they had going was a good program and when Oprah came aboard they began to make big changes and many of us walked away. So my prediction is the only loss that will continue to happen is Weight watchers revenue. Once their share holders get tired of the loss then they will go back to what was successful. So as WW continues to lose not in pounds but dollars you need to know there are a LOT of us out here who will find other programs to help us with what we came to you for, but you didn't care about what worked but what is new. I would wish you good luck, but I know it is not in your future.

on December 31, 2016

After spending the entire year of 2016 failing on Weight Watchers Smart Points, I finally faced the reality that it is not something which I can do. For me, it's definitely a diet and nothing that I can or want to do long-term.

I started My Fitness Pal the day after Christmas, and though there is a learning curve, I am enjoying it and doing well. I'm sort of excited and optimistic for the first time in a year.

I think that this will be fine.

My New Year's Resolution? No more futile payments to Weight Watchers.

on December 31, 2016

I know Oprah follows SP. But, does actually do her own planning and cooking. I'm disappointed with SP. Let's go back to PP. We had bread on that program too.

on January 1, 2017

I find Smart Points hard to stay on. A 90 Calorie Special K bar went from 1 point to 6.

on January 1, 2017

I quit ww a year shortly after sp. I have still over a 100 to lose. I felt if I was going to be restrictive, I might as well go very restrictive for awhile. I am on Jenny Craig. I have lost more weight. When I decide to get off Jenny Craig, I will look for one of those apps for points plus. I might go to weight watcher meetings for support, but I will use a points plus plan. I think SP is too restrictive also. I do not know hardly any skinny people that eat that way.

on January 2, 2017

As a lifetime member for 30 years and a former WW leader I did have some concerned about the restrictions but being 15lbs up after Christmas 2015 I said I would give it a try. After 2 months I was down 10 lbs so I continued. I lost something every month . Now after A year on SP I am actually almost 10 lbs below goal. I no longer cravy sweets or bread. I have found some great foods and substitutions I enjoy and have become almost regimented. #Happierthanever

on January 2, 2017

I've lost 60 pounds on WWPP but have moved away from WW since SP. I find I cannot sustain it and it feels punitive. I could never have lost my weight on SP. I'm now using what I learned at WW and using a free app. That's the other problem, they've stopped teaching. Their modules are so "pie in the sky." They never address "real" issues anymore. I feel like WW has walked away from members who have a lot of weight to lose on SP. It would be a never ending and expensive journey. They've become more like a diet. But of course, they have an ever expanding product line with things for you to "buy." Clearly they've lost their way. I think Oprah cares more about making money that losing weight. Sorry to see you go WW. I loved the old you!!

on January 2, 2017

I have been Lifetime with Weight Watchers for almost 34 years. I have lived through MANY programs, and I have to laugh when people say it is too restrictive. WW used to specify which foods you are at each meal; liver was a requirement once a week, fruits were limited to 3 per day and 1 had to be citrus........I could keep going, but you get the idea. I embraced SP when it came out as if I was a new member, and within 4 months had lost 14 pounds. Since I am AT Lifetime, that is no mean feat!!! I don't crave sugar anymore since I have limited my choices, my biggest issue is getting in enough points with healthy choices. Plans will come and go. You need to tweak it for what works for YOU. WW is a scientifically based weight loss program, and it is constantly evolving as they find out more and more about the body and nutrition.

on January 5, 2017

There is an awesome app that is very inexpensive called iTrackBites. This app supports any version of points that works for you. For example if Flex Points worked best for you it is under "Classic Points". Whichever one you choose has corresponding calculator & when you start it will determine your points based on formula for that program. As you lose weight the points automatically change for you. If you switch up between plans it will keep any saved food lists with your point values. For instance if you want to try Smart Points but decide to go back to Points Plus your saved food/point values will still be there. It's a really cool app at a very low price. They also have community boards where you can get support from people doing whatever program you are on.

on January 5, 2017

I have been with WW since the 1970's. I've been thru many changes. When WW changed to the PP program, it was the best. I could eat what I liked and still lost or maintained weight. I tried the SP program for a few months. It was so restrictive that I stopped after a few months, Dropped my WW membership. I continue using the PP concept using the iTrackBites phone app. This way all the WW cookbooks I have are still useful and not money wasted. Love the PP program.

on January 5, 2017

I lost over 100-lbs on PP, I'm now gaining because I don't like it, this changing often is not good if it's more points, I think they brought in Oprah to
stir things up, not going back , trying the pp on my own.

on January 5, 2017

I've been on WW many times in the past. I know the program works -- it was just me who didn't continue it time after time. Well, I started in August 2015 and was having a ton of success (I have over 100 pounds to lose and I was down 40 by the end of 2015). I think that I finally got it through my head that I need to eat to live, not live to eat. Then Oprah stepped in. I know what healthy eating it, I just choose not to follow it! The thing I loved about WW is that you COULD eat anything you wanted in moderation and it almost always fit into my daily points (remember that I got a lot more points because I had to much weight to lose). I understood that as my points got lower, I would have to change things up a bit to stay within my points to continue to lose weight. SmartPoints, as the article above mentioned, reminded me of the South Beach diet -- cut out cards and eat mostly lean protein. Well, if I could do that easily, then I wouldn't be overweight. I like to have treats every day and with the SmartPoints plan, I feel as though the "treats" don't fit in. WW was teaching me how to eat properly while having a treat every now and then. SmartPoints basically tells me to cut out everything that is "bad" for me. Regardless, I tried Oprah's plan and it simply didn't work for me. I know I could try harder, but that was the thing I loved about WW -- eat what I want but stay in within my points. If I wanted to eat chocolate all day, I could if I stayed within my points. Now, if I chose to eat chocolate all day, I couldn't eat that much. I know that's not a healthy diet, it is just an example. I'm at a loss now because I need to start something and I'm not happy with WW. It was the only diet I ever tried -- I don't believe in cutting out certain foods and WW taught you that you didn't have to. I really wish they would go back to their old points system -- or bring it back and you can choose which one you want to follow.

on January 5, 2017

I lost over 100 lbs using PP. It definitely taught me to make smarter choices and I also agree that SP is too restrictive. With PP I am able to better plan for those occasional dinners out with friends and such. I have always tried to pre-plan by looking at online menus and nutritional information, but with SP I feel backed into a corner. I have always used my workouts and activity points as a way to balance if needed (as my goal has always been to never touch my bonus weekly points - if I need more points I earn them ahead of time through exercise - again...comes down to planning). I don't understand the point to fit points or how to use them. The entire app I find not very user friendly (and I love technology). Just frustrating. I have an app called Points Plus Diary that is super easy to use and am using that again now and just following PP. I am thankful for that system allowing me to live my life (which isn't always possible to plan) and giving me options for a healthier life style. Saying goodbye to WW until they give us more options again.

on January 5, 2017

I quit WW when they went to Smart Points and went back to my old materials from PP. It works for me. I never feel deprived--in fact I feel like I'm eating TOO much, yet I lost about 30 pounds and have kept it off for more than a year. That fudge bar at the end of the evening feels like an earned treat on PP, not like an SP high point punishment!

on January 6, 2017

If you know anything about nutrition you know SP is a much healthier plan. People complain that it's too restrictive because they are used to having sweet snacks or high carbed snacks every day! Precisely why we have so many pre-Diabetics and Diabetics in this country. Sure it's hard to discipline yourself,but do you want to stay overweight, losing your health? The WW plan works!

on January 6, 2017

I agree and am quiting WW because of the SP are like going back to WW in the 70s. It was a diet you couldn't wait to reach your goal and stop. I am a life time member. I joined back when PP was introduced and lost weight with no problem. I tracked on my phone and the PP system and the easy phone program I lost and boasted of how good the plan was then entered SP and a new program. It went down hill quickly. The computer & phone program are not user friendly & Diet is just like the 70s & 80s. I was in several "At Work" programs as well as the regular program. It was so restrictive that the it is now a diet and not teaching a way of life. It's discouraging and not encouraging like it once was that you felt "I can do this". The instructors are great. They do their best to try to explain why it's a good thing but you now it's like reading an article. After class your pumped and ready to try again but when you go to eat out or even at home with your family you can't enjoy what they are having because, even a little because it doesn't fit in at all. You blew the day. this goes on too many times that it becomes your paying for nothing. I have been paying yet haven't gone back for weeks because I gained wait then feel guilty so I am quiting. Hopfully you will believe all these people because we are the ones that believed in your system and would like to again.

on January 6, 2017

In response to this comment from above: "I think it speaks volumes how WW leaders and prior members say they have had more success losing weight following Smart Points than before."

I worked for WW for over 10 years as a highly successful leader. Staff are TOLD to say that, whether or not it was true in their individual trial run, so that members would buy into the new program. All staff would be introduced to the new program a month or two before its release to the members. We were instructed to follow the new program. More often than not (I am thinking of the old CORE plan...), staff struggled with the new program. We were usually counseled that we "had to get out head in the game."

Sorry to burst your bubble...WW is a multi-million dollar business that is trying to reinvent itself through yet another new program and a bigger-than-life celebrity :(

on January 7, 2017

I too loved the old program. I started losing weight for the first time in my life. I was only on it for 3 months when they changed it. Hated it, couldn't follow it to save my life. I was and am so disappointed. Gained all my weight back plus some. Actually, I found this website trying to see if maybe they changed it back because I finally quit. Guess no luck with that idea!

on January 8, 2017

I absolutely hate SP I feel like its not realistic and feels more like the latest trend!! On PP I felt in control my activity point in addition to my my bonus points motivated me to want to workout because I knew if I had a dinner date or vacation I still kept my weight under control.I don't like how WW keeps constantly changing the program I lost 51 pounds on PP and I gained 25 on SP out of frustration.. I keep looking for my old books to go back to PP but I can't find them.WW needs to stick with what works and stop trying to compete with Competition that they already clearly have beat. Stick with what works for the majority of people. PLEASE

on January 8, 2017

I agree SP for me is not working. I started WW 2 years ago this month. I was 132 pounds. I lost 13 pounds on PP and now I have gained it all back plus 3 pounds. I am still going to WW however I am still struggling.

on January 9, 2017

There must be a reason WW will not listen to complaints. I wrote them directly and their answer was it's staying this way. I wish I had my PP counter and I'd stay on it. Friends who kept using PP have most success. I know it's about sugar! But the PP still helped so much more!

on January 9, 2017

Lost 30lbs on the PP plan, when they switched to SP it was close to Christmas & I had just started a new job. I found the new system hard to do & too restrictive. I loved the PP system and I had it down to a T with pleanty of go to options. It worked so well for me. I left after the new program came in. So disappointed in WW. Who changes their system just before Christmas when you need them the most. They shot themselves in the foot I think. Won't trust them again.

on January 9, 2017

I love the new plan! The old one seemed to encourage a lot of pre-packaged food, etc. and that turned me off. Is it easy? No. Especially at first. It took me awhile to get in the swing of it. However, I still use my own common sense. The smoothie rule (fruit and veg have points)? I ignore it. My breakfast smoothies are mostly veggies and I put no sweetener in them. You would never confuse them with a "milkshake" and they help me get all my vegetables in. I don't try overly hard to hit my points (up or down). I use WW only as a guide and tool because that is all it is. Nobody is going to come knock the Skinny Cow out of your hand so enjoy it if you want one and just do the best you can reasonably do.

on January 9, 2017

Kym, I'm using the itrackbites app. It was $2.99 plus $1.99 each for the recipe builder and the restaurant guide. You can choose from 3 programs -I used WW Core/Flex which I think became Momentum but get those points using the Classic version. I believe you can change from one to another or just use calories. I have never understood the logic of not allowing one to continue to use what worked for them other than leading to failure and continuing to collect $$ as we beat our heads into a wall!

on January 9, 2017

This is my second reply. I canceled my WW membership and now I feel completely free. I will do points plus on my own. Kim I think you might be able to find at least some of the points plus material on Amazon.

on January 9, 2017

Points Plus hand-held calculators are plentiful on Ebay - if anyone is looking for one.

on January 10, 2017

Reiteration. The formula for PP can be found on line. I set up an Excel spread sheet that I use in conjunction with my excel journal.
As a previous contributor wrote, I too was able to get a PP calculator on eBay for when I go food shopping.
I guess in the end WW did me s favor. Love the independence. I am in control now.

on January 10, 2017

I've been on every WW program since the 70s. This is by far the absolutely best program they have ever had. It is based on the way you SHOULD be eating. People saying it is too restrictive? Not at all. You can have whatever you want -- you just have to plan for it. I lost my weight on Points Plus, but have been maintaining following Simply Filling -- because I do not want to track any longer. I was a religious tracker for losing, but I knew I would be trailing off after I hit my lifetime goal again. Smart Points is really the same as Simply Filling -- this is the way I eat. I eat for good health and I eat for maintaining my 94 pound weight loss. It has been working for me -- kept it off now for three and a half years. I do not understand people thinking this is some fad diet. Really? If you want to lose weight and keep it off, you need to realize that this is the way to do it.

on January 10, 2017

Use itrackbites app for only $2.99. It has all the WW plans. I've been using it for PP. I still go to meetings for the encouragement and I'm still losing!! I'm a lifetime member so I go when I need help.

on January 10, 2017

I've been a lifetime member for 40 years, including a few years as a leader. I hate this new plan. And when I stayed behind and talked to the leader, her advice was I'd have to decide if I wanted to stay with WW. What kind of advice is that. The new plan, even maintenance is a restrictive diet, not a lifetime eating plan.

on January 13, 2017

I agree with comment about reaction of leader saying maybe WW wasn't for her. I've done the 30 pts and tracked,etc. I think it's too many points for me,but it's also too restrictive to do less points. I still have my PP calculator and just might do it for a week to see. The push to do program online makes it seem like they are just into $$$$$. It's become impersonal. Also,what's with these lines. Some of us missed the entire meeting due to long lines and computer mess ups. Ugh!

on January 14, 2017

Couldn't DISAGREE MORE!!!!!

on January 14, 2017

I had gastric bypass surgery. I knew that it was not a magic wand, so I joined ww. I was very pleased I lost a total of 95 lbs between ww and my surgery. Then they changed the program. I was totally lost. I could not loose any weight. I was gaining! It is terrible. I wish I still had all my paperwork from before the change I would do this program. Before surgery I tried every diet out there. NOne worked. I don't want to go through this again. What am I going to do??????

on January 16, 2017

Since there seems to be so many people complaining about the smart points, I for another, why doesn't Weight Watchers just give you the choice to either be on Smart points or PointsPlus?

on January 17, 2017

Itrackbites app has all the WW points for all the old plans

on January 17, 2017

WW is not going to go backwards. This is the best and healthiest program they have ever had. This is the way you need to eat to maintain your weight, so you might as well start eating this way to lose it. Come on, people! If you want to lose weight, you cannot eat tons of junk food. Now the points on that kind of stuff has gone up and people are complaining. I've been on every program WW has had since the 70s, and this is by far the best. Sure, you can have a treat once in a while, but you shouldn't be having treats every day -- just not healthy.

on January 17, 2017

If you no longer have your old materials but want to follow an old plan there is an app called Ultimate Food Value Diary. You can set which plan to follow and it will track your points. You can scan products or key in information. I think it costs $3 or $4. I've used it for years.

on January 17, 2017

In the past year I've restarted SP so many times I've lost count! The program is just not doable for me and has sent me on many food binges. I'm back to PP using the itrackbites app. If my group leader doesn't like it, well too bad! I'm paying WW not vice versa, I can do the plan I want!

on January 17, 2017

A lifetimer who has been going to WW for 22 years, I am now ready to drop out. For the first time in all those years I am feeling deprived. I am a volume eater and I could always work in a little treat every once in a while but now when I do, I have to cut my eating in half and am left hungry. For the first time, I feel like I am on a diet and that's not fun! I also have found that I am starting to gain weight now rather than maintaining. The program is too expensive to get negative results.

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